My point being, there are really good reasons to avoid Pale Moon, but a shitty response to trademark violating contribution by an ex-dev over half a decade ago isn't a good reason. It has stagnated to the point it's basically unusable on the modern internet. Pale Moon isn't progressing, it's decision to break virtually all its existing extensions, then it's decision to reimplement support for existing extensions lost it most of its developers. I can't even log into my self-hosted Nextcloud account with it. I haven't used Pale Moon in years because I simply can't browse the internet with it. Fair enough, my decision to avoid Pale Moon isn't based on trademark law either. I assume you mean your decision to avoid Pale Moon has nothing to do with trademark law. A former dev from years ago being an asshole is not a good reason to avoid Pale Moon.Īnd it literally has nothing to do with trademark law. Thirdly, there are a plethora of good reasons to avoid using Pale Moon: It's habit of randomly hanging/stalling, its inability to display about a third of the internet, it's unmaintained extensions, etc. The assholes you're concerned about are no longer part of the project. Seriously, look up the releases, v30 was recalled in case Tobin left nasty surprises behind in the code. Like a petulant child, he deleted code and archives, changed passwords, and disabled hardware after posting a rant about he's the only genius on the project (he sounded like Uwe Boll defending his movies). He's not just an asshole, he's a complete cunt, a garbage human, who tried to sabotage as much of the project as he could on the way out. Secondly, mattatobin (lead Pale Moon dev at the time) isn't part of the project anymore, and he hasn't been for years. The dialogue was sabotaged from the beginning by ibara, not the Pale Moon devs. Ibara was stupidly and unnecessarily combative right out of the gate (an asshole), to which the lead dev (mattatobin) and IP owner (wolfbeast) responded in kind. That is perfectly reasonable and required by trademark law, to which the contributor (ibara) responds: I will do no such thing until I speak with the person who owns the rights to the intellectual property, which appears to be not you. You must comply with the directive or you must disable official branding for your builds. I will definitely be avoiding pale moon after reading that link.įirst, the link opens with the following line: We do not allow system libs to be used with official branding because it deviates from official configuration. Just be prepared to acknowledge that the information you're responding to is very likely way out of date. That's fine, I respond to old links on occasion, too. Copyright is not a factor here, as the code is under the permissive Mozilla licence (which is vastly superior to the viral GPL), but the brand is required to be protected in order for the trademark owner to keep the branding. A company can selectively enforce a copyright, but they can't selectively enforce a trademark. Trademarks are required to be protected by the trademark owner, whereas copyrights are not. Debian had to change the name of it's own altered Firefox (IceWeasel) for the same reason - do you hate Mozilla for that?ĮDIT: To reiterate, I'm talking about Trademark Law. But you can't change it and still call it Pale Moon, not without official permission. Pale Moon is open and the code is free to anybody who wants to use it and call it something else. If you think that link provides a reason to avoid Pale Moon, then you're anti-opensource. If Pale Moon doesn't defend it's branding, then anyone can release any software and call it Pale Moon. But OpenBSD is actually changing the code, making the software something else, but still calling it Pale Moon as if it was official. If OpenBSD shipped with an official build of Pale Moon, there would be no issue. Because Mozilla needs to protect it's branding. IceWeasel is Firefox, literally, with the branding removed. That's why Debian ships with IceWeasel instead of Firefox. If you don't defend your branding, you lose protection for that branding. The take-down in that link is not draconian, it's required by trademark law. I don't want to use pale moon anymore after reading that.
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